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Why Christians Need to Be Political by Dr Lachlan Dunjey
Melted Mind vs Solid Reality by Dr Charles Slack

What The World Needs Now by Den Rhodes
God's Great Mysteries by Dr John Yates
Leaders Periodic Check-Up by Lisa Wong

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cambodia focus:
ZERO TO HERO - From Killing Fields to Harvest Fields, Inspirational Stories from the Church in Cambodia
Focus Cambodia founder, Leslie Hewitt - A Grandmother's Quest
Comrade Duch, from chief executioner to passionate bearer of truth
Pastors Sinai & Somalay, having escaped the bullets of Pol Pot's soldiers, they found Christ in Thailand's refugee camps and returned to Cambodia to plant probably the largest network of Cambodian churches.
Dr Gary Hewett OAM WA Finalist - AUSTRALIAN OF THE YEAR 2010 With just four finalists being chosen in each award category from more than 3000 nominations, it is a real honour for Awareness Cambodia's Dr Gary Hewett to be recognised alongside this year’s worthy finalists.  WA will announce its 2010 finalist in each category at the Western Australian “Australian of the Year Awards” presentation on Saturday 21st November, Government House Ballroom, Perth.

Mission Australia was pioneered by Rick Bristow and Tim Bradley and Ps Sarun Koy. Together with Leslie Hewitt they supported Sunshine House in Kompong Spue. Ps Sarun is a pastor in the Stueng Trong district of the Muslim dominated Kompong Cham province which is three hours north of Phnom Penh on the Mekong River.


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ELECTION 2010 -Moving Forward to a God-free Australia
ChurchInPerth strives to be apolitical to the point that we are not aligned to any political party. However, we have the duty to inform our readers where political direction significantly impact the Church negatively. The Labor party is leading the electorates to belief that the election is more about personality than party politics, not unlike the American presidential campaign, for a simple reason -- Julia Gillard is the first female PM, she has a mind of her own, she is unlike Kevin Rudd whom she disposed and whom the Labor party had found to be a liability if it is going to win this election. PM Gillard had stated that she is an atheist and had warned the Church to stay out of her belief. If this election is about personality then Gillard, if voted-in for a fresh term as PM, will think she had just been given the authority to propagade her belief or unbelief. Come August 21st, Australia may well have a PM, boosted by a Greens-dominated Senate, to make wide ranging legislations that will have ungodly outcomes to the detriment of the nation and the Church.

July 19, 2010

Many Christians are concerned that someone who does not believe in God may not endorse the Christian traditions of respect for human life, for the sanctity of marriage and the independence of Churches, church schools and church social welfare agencies. While there is no indication that the present Prime Minister will undermine the special privileges that churches enjoy, some wonder what the future will bring.
Archbishop Barry Hickey (The West Australians, July 29, 2010)

Editor, ChurchinPerth

Letters to the Editor:
Can Australia afford another 3 years of “reforms” with absolutely NIL achievement BUT debts  and
blunders for our future generations?
Yc Lee

Is not our sovereign God in control....nothing happens in this world unless He allows it....I would be more worried if we had a muslim prime minister than one who does't beleive there is a god.
Paul

Be specific. Appeal to conscience. Apolitical?  I don’t think so!!!!
Mike Bullard

Related Links:
Gillard on Believing in God
No I don't. I found a different path.
I don't pretend a faith I don't feel and
(to) people of faith . . . not to engage in some pretence about mine . . . I'm what I'm. I believe you can be a person of strong principle and value from a variety of perspectives.

Gillard on Loyalty
You may as well ask me am I anticipating a trip to Mars. No, I'm not.
There's more chance of me becoming the full-forward for the Dogs than there is any change in the Labor Party.

May 18, 2010

Gillard on Handling Unpleasant Issues
I think it will pass, I don’t think that this will be the issue on people’s minds when they vote at the next federal election. It will be long gone by then, but it’s been an uncomfortable week in politics for everybody and it would be much better if this material had not been put in the public domain, particularly in this form.
Julia Gillard commenting on Mark Latham's (ex-mentor) Diaries

Tasmanian Greens want PM to focus on Social Issues

Undoubtedly there are many serious environmental and social challenges facing the nation and hopefully Ms Gillard and a refocused National (sic) Labor Party will move swiftly and decisively to address these.
Nick McKim MP, Greens Leader - I pledge to reintroduce voluntary euthanasia laws

Will Atheism Spell Trouble for Gillard?
The PM's admission that she doesn't believe in God has divided religious leaders.
John Elder, The Age

One Vote Can Make A Difference -Vote A Christian

Need (Also) To Be Political
by Dr Lachlan Dunjey

Australian Christian Values Checklist for Election 2010

Prayer Notes:

A Season for Prayer for Our Nation

CHRISTIANS IN POLITICS
No other Australians, Christians or otherwise, can claim to hold more political clout than the two party-bosses who stood before a gathering of Christian leaders in Canberra on Monday evening put together by Australian Christian Lobby (ACL) and web-streamed into churches all over Australia. The last time similar telecast was made in 2007 the then opposition leader, Mr Rudd, faced off with a confident PM John Howard. Both Mr Rudd and Mr Abbott are opened about their Christian faith, probably more so than any other pairs in the political opposite of Australian history. Unlike the 2007 appearance Mr Rudd dispensed with his declaration of his faith but went straight into the defence of his party policies and in the process appeared to present himself as the capable and caring Prime Minister considering the challenging time the world is facing. Mr Abbott reassured the audience of his Christian credentials and his guiding principle for being in politics by saying, "I want to stress that I am a Christian in politics, not a Christian politician." It is to be noted that Mr Rudd is experiencing the most unfavourable opinion polls since he became PM whilst Mr Abbott had just being given the boost in the polls despite making minimal headlines himself -thanks to Mr Rudd campaign to take a bigger cut of the wealth generated by the resource sectors.
What they agreed:
Marriage is between a man and a woman
Indigenous Australians must take responsibility for themselves, welfare is not the solution
What they disagreed:
Who will make a better Prime Minister
Opportunity Missed:
Showing brotherly-grace before the Church
Christ-centered Kingdom leadership over the political divides:
Commendation:
Jim Wallace, founder of ACL, for making this forum possible and has been known to hold the politicians accountable for the pledges and declaration made on this but also on other occassions.
<read also APN Report>

Global Day of Prayer 2010
by Timothy Tay
What started 10 years ago as a combined church gathering in Cape Town, South Africa, for prayer is now the single largest non-denominational prayer movement. On May 23, Pentecost Sunday, over 400 millions prayed in churches and public halls in all 200+ nations on earth. In Perth, there were churches and prayer groups involved on the day but the one at Curtin University, anchored by Zion Praise Harvest, is worth mentioning here. The senior pastor, Patrick Chen, wrote, "We had a great time. There were great participation from many churches and organisations. The worship & prayer atmosphere was awesome!."



GDOP started humbly when Graham Power, a businessman and a new convert, asked some church pastors with childlikeness candor on why can't Christians get together to pray in his city considering the precarious situation the city was facing. At that time South Africa was just a few years free from the Aparthied era. Graham was happy to report that the last bombing in his city happened just days before the prayer gathering 10 years ago and there is no repeat ever since. With the success of the initial 45,000-strong attendance at the city's rugby stadium the event was repeated in many cities, some with 100,000s in attendance, all over the world in a short few years. Edmund Chan from Singapore said that there is no other event in Singapore that unify the churches in his city in such a way and in such a scale as the GDOP event. Hong Kong, Jakarta and many other cities around the world reported similar experience.

In Perth in 2007 the GDOP event drew a few thousands into Challenge Stadium for prayer under the theme of forgiveness and reconciliation between the indigenous people and the rest of the Australian communities. What followered were some remarkable events - the first declaration of 'Sorry' by the prime minister of Australia following a surprise victory in the general election that year, a noticeable and positive shift in the national conscience towards the first people of Australia and the beginning of some bold attempts to put all of these into practise like the Generation One initiative.

Just as the world is enjoying the spectacles of the World Cup this month let us be reminded to give thanks to God for GDOP that came out of Africa.

If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
(2Ch 7:14 -GDOP's guiding verse from the Bible)

Graham Power, author of "Not By Power" & "Unashamedly Ethical", has accepted the invitation to speak at the 2011 Governor's Prayer Breakfast in Perth.
Edmund Chan will be holding a Intentional Discipleship Making workshop in Perth between August 20-21.
Churches and organisations are encouraged to sign up for GDOP 2011.

photo: WIN's Robin Walker proudly unfurled the Aussie flag at the GDOP 10th anniversay conference in Cape Town (top).
Graham Power (centre).
GDOP Perth 2007 (below)


Aug6-7Advancing "Women" Higher convocation -An apostolic prophetic gathering of women to pray, worship, learn, grow through strong teaching and ‘time out’ enjoyment. Fri 7:30pm Sat 9am-10pm@Novotel Langley Hotel <contact Tracey>
Aug6-7 Power Up Business Building Workshop with Gloria Jean's Peter Irvine & author Tony Gattari from 8:30am@Perth CLC <rego>
Aug6-7
Men in the Field with Dr Allen Meyer
Aug11-14
School of Healing & Impartation with Randy Clark. <rego>

Aug13 Governor's Prayer Breakfast
Aug14 Impact 2010 Children Ministry Conference 9am-3:30pm
Aug20 Just Worship
with Joel Houston & members of Hillsong United 6:30/8:30pm@Metro Church
Aug20-21 Ps Edmund Chan Intentional Discipleship Making workshop @FCC
Aug28 Be the One Leadercast by John C Maxwell & Team 9am-5pm@Elizabeth Jolly LT <rego:0412058868>
Aug29 Obedience Based Discipleship by Dr Tony & Felicity Dale
by OIKOS <info>
Sep21-24 United with Purpose Conference with keynote speakers Ps Kong Hee & Ps Mark Pfeifer
Oct 29-31 Call2Burn with Rick Pino & Sean Feucht 48 hours of worship & intercession
Nov20-21 The Spring Gospel Music & Arts Festival 2010
Nov27Breakfast with John Anderson by Christians in the Marketplace <booking>

Events Beyond Perth:
Oct4-7 Christian Dance Fellowship Australia CDFA Conference 2010 Sydney
Nov9-14
Transform Our World Int'l Conference Honolulu Hawaii <info>

Read: Hope Infusion by Ed Silvoso

A Merry Heart Doeth Good Like Medicine:
Don't be like us. Study hard, become doctors and lawyers and make your parents proud. This advice to six primary schoolchildren found in the midst of a robbery was given from the least expected source - the five masked machete-wielding robbers! "Don’t think too harshly of us. We too are like your son trying to make a living. Forgive us", final words from Robin Hood to the grandmother caught in the heist.
The Star Newspaper July 23, 2010

<more good medicine>

Food for Thoughts:
How to be a Billionaire
Forbes did an extensive interviews of the super rich across continents and listed three most consistent observations about them:
1. They all experienced failures and as a consequence they are not afraid of it.

2. They are creative always searching out silver linings amongst the dark clouds.
3. They build strong relationship with their spouse and received in return reduced stress and increased motivation to acieve success.

Forbes.com

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Breaking News: AG delayed R18+ Game Classification (see Church News)

Quotes of the week:
What a difference a day makes... The page had turned. The celebration had abruptly ended.

Ps Kong Hee on the police raid which took place only a day after the church had concluded an international conference of more than 25,000 participants <ST>

Shallower though its pockets may be, the group still poses a threat: A small sum spent cleverly on the right explosive in the right place can do a lot of damage.
Nathan Vardi, Is al Qaeda Bankrupt? Forbes Asia March 2010

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Book of Numbers:
Regular church attendance in Australia
:
Catholic 765,000
Pentcostal (AOG, CRC, C3, ACC) 300,000
Anglican 177,000
Uniting 126,000
Baptist 112,000
Lutheran 40,000
All except the Pentecostal are in decline, and ageing. Catholics are holding up better than others because of their education institutions and Catholic immigrants.
(source: Alan Nichols' Crunch these numbers, Eternity March 2010)

<more Facts & Numbers>



Church News & Reviews:
July 22
CDP calls for Christian Crisis Meeting as the federal election draws close, an atheist Prime Minister and the growing influence of the Greens' anti-Christian agenda. With the slogan, If You Don't Act Now, Then When! and assurance that it is not fund-raising CDP is urging Christians to attend. Meeting will be held on Monday 26th July 7:30pm @Fox Lecture Theatre, UWA Register Now!

July 21
Family First calls for Christian Candidates as the dateline draws near (July 26th lodgment) for regislation. <email Linda Ross, Lead Candidate Family First WA>

July 9
Victorian Gays testing exemptions to Victoria's anti-discrimination laws.
What started out as a plan to hold a youth camp at a resort on Phillip Island has turned into a three-year legal stoush over Victoria's anti-discrimination laws and it's come to a head at the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal this week.
<more>

June 18 Former JI's
Spiritual Head, Abu Bakar Bashir, on Police Trail for supplying arms to a para-military camp based in Aceh. Abu Bakar’s driver and security guard have already been arrested by anti-terror police during a series of raids in the past few months. Indonesian police are now waiting for the green light from “higher authorities” in the government to move against Abu Bakar. <theStarOnline>

Read also An al-Qaeda-backed group in Malaysia has spread its tentacles into mosques and several non-governmental organisations

June 18 Making Sense of the Racial Conflicts in Kyrgyzstan. The land-locked nation bordering China in the east and Russia in the north has a population of 5.5m comprising 70% Kyrgyz, 14% Uzbek and the rest made up of Russians, Germans, Koreans and other minor ethnic groups. Before becoming independent after the Soviet breakup the ethnic divides were kept under control by Moscow. After independent and with Europeans moving out the mainly rural Kyrgyz begun exerting its majority influence. The current conflict centres around the southern city of Osh which has a large Uzbek population and the city borders Uzbekistan. Even though the Kyrgyz and Uzbek are predominantly Muslims the racial divides appear more pronounced. Christians in Kyrgyzstan are identified with the minority ethnic groups but there is a growing Kyrgyz Church that has taken root. Though Kyrgyzstan is a democratic state the ruling party is pushing ahead with Muslim agendas in line with the aspirations of the majority Kyrgyz. As in Iran and Iraq the differences between two contending groups can easily spill over to attacks on minorities and Christians in particular as an excuse to bring solidality amongst Muslims.
further readings: ChristianityToday, Wikipedia

June 16 Proposed Green Bill will make Brothels Illegal in Residential Area. The 2008 Labor's prostitution law 'reform' exerts no regulation for brothers with fewer than three operators even in residential areas. Th WA Attorney-General Christian Porter warned of an "explosion" in micro brothels in residential areas if the Green Bill is not introduced. "There is nothing worse than a non-enforceable law - and police say they can't realistically enforce it. Councils can shut down the premises through misuse of property but it is hard (for them) because they are not the police. Street prostitution will be illegal and business operating as brothels will be highly regulated."
source: Southern Gazette

June 15 USD2.63mil Lunch with Warren Buffett. Since 2000, Warren Buffett has auctioned off lunches with himself to support a San Francisco nonprofit organization. Over the course of ten years, Buffett has brought in $5.9 million in donations through these charity auctions. According to Reuters, this year's auction has broken all previous records, bringing in a staggering $2.63 million for the Glide Foundation, an organization providing food, health care, housing and job training for San Francisco's homeless.

June 4 Chinese Church to be Demolished for not "establishing a harmonious and judicial society." The Church is located in Linfen, amongst the world's worst polluted place according to Blacksmith Institute. Despite the gloom the Christians here have always considered themselves most 'liberated' given the openness the Church professes its faith. Therefore when this large church building was erected some years back it finally drew the attention of Beijing who then pressured the city officials to do something about its 'religious problem.' On March 4 the Church leaders were slapped with the notice of an impending demolition of the building. Church members are in the midst of their 120-Day Vigil of Prayer and Fasting which begun on April 13, 2010.

watch video: "Esther pleas for release of her jailed parents, pastors of Linfen church"

web links
Australian Christian Lobby
Find of the Week:
Our Australian Christian Heritage
Dr. Graham McLennan
downloadable powerpoint presentation
for all who are interested in Australian church history


tech news

Built-in Tracking Capability almost landed a taxi-driver in court after he denied keeping an iPhone inadvertantly left behind by a passenger. Thanks to this feature the passenger was able to track the phone to an address and even following the phone as the taxi-driver tried to move it to another location.
<The Age>
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THE ROCK CAFE
Perth's newest interdenominational Christian social-fellowship cafe is opening soon!! So keep those soon-to-be cold Wednesday nights free for a warm social evening with friends enjoying great local original Christian music!! The cost is only $5 and you’ll get a complimentary coffee! Try a fair dinkum Aussie roo meat pie!

June 2 AG delayed R18+ Game Classification. Home Affairs Minister Brendan O'Connor said that, "Ministers have requested further analysis of community and expert views". Supporters of R18+ games soon speculated that the search for additional information was because of the "overwhelming response from gamers in the public consultation". It shows that over 98% of the 60,000 submissions received were in favour of the R18+ rating.  86% of total submissions came from retailer EB Games and the pro-R18+ organisation 'Grow Up Australia'. The vast majority of submissions were from males in the 18-34 years age category. It is obvious that the results of the R18+ consultation represent those of gaming interests, and not the broad community. This appears to be the reason the ministers are seeking additional information, thus scuttling the gaming industry's tactic of flooding the consultation with submissions. source: Australia Prayer Network

May 31 Singapore's largest non-mainline church under state investigation. As it was expected to come after Pastor Kong Hee's 30,000-strong City Harvest Church made a bold purchase of half-share in a downtown conference centre early during the year the state authority had today sent their investigation team to crawl all over the church offices and homes of church administrators for alleged misuse of church funds despite denial by the authority that the two events are not related. The tall-poppy syndrome is very well and alive in Singapore too. What's next? A 40% Super Profit Tax for wealthy churches! <link>

May 1 Use the Media in a positive way urges the Pope. Speaking at the Digital Witnesses: Faces and Languages in the Cross-Media Age conference, the pope exhorted followers to get online and provide a spiritual element to online communications. "I exhort you to walk the roads of the digital continent animated by the courage of the Holy Spirit. Without fear we want to set out upon the digital sea embracing the unrestricted navigation with the same passion that for 2,000 years has steered the Church." <video>

Apr 22 Will Pentecostalism survives the next decade?
Church historian and author of An Eyewitness Remembers the Century of the Holy Spirit, Vinson Synan, in his respond to ChristianityToday query had this to say, "Pentecostalism is into its second century, but it's still vigorous because it tends to renew itself every 30 or 40 years. If its leaders keep the excitement and the fire going intellectually and culturally, the movement will continue to grow." He added too that future transformational leaders will likely come from independent Pentecostal churches rather than from the Baptists or Presbyterians. <more>

Apr 21 Canberra pulled the plug on Charter of Rights. Nor will it introduce rules for judges that would have required them to interpret legislation in a way they believe is in accordance with human rights. This would have gone beyond the current rule governing the way judges interpret statutes that may amount to a "back-door charter". ACL Jim Wallace said that the Government’s decision shows that they have listened to the genuine and valid concerns of a wide cross section of the Christian community on this issue, as well as the concerns of former governors general, High Court judges, retired generals and prominent politicians on both sides of politics, among others.
Sources: The Australian, Australian Christian Lobby, The People's Charter


Apr 19 The Pope, The Media, and the Sexual Abuse Scandals. Pope Benedict XVI has come under intense scrutiny over the last few weeks, regarding the sexual abuse scandals. This page seeks to set out the facts, in an attempt to rectify and combat some of the biased and incorrect media coverage that has surrounded this issue. Sexual abuse of children is a horrific crime. No coverage of this issue would be complete without a frank acknowledgement of the errors that have been made in the handling of child sexual abuse cases in the past. Pope Benedict XVI has apologised on behalf of the entire Catholic Church, and met with victims in several countries. At the same time, it is important to recognise the extraordinary efforts that the Church now goes to assist victims of sexual abuse in their healing, to remove offenders from positions of responsibility, and to safeguard children in our institutions and parishes. <more>

<more church news>



Inside Noah's Ark

Noah's Ark has been found atop a mountain in Turkey, a team of Turkish and Chinese evangelical explorers said Monday, April 26. The 15-person team claims to have recovered fragments of wood and pieces of rope from a structure on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey that carbon dating has put at 4,800 years old, roughly coinciding with the time the biblical flood was said to have been occurred. The team is a joint effort between Hong Kong-based Media Evangelism, Noah's Ark Ministry International and the Turkish government.
Yeung Wing-Cheung, a member of the team, told AFP, "It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's Ark but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it."
He said that the structure at the site featured wooden beams and several compartments that were believed to house animals. The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds that one had never been found above 3,500 metres in the vicinity, Yeung said. Wing-Cheung added that local officials will ask the Turkish government to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status, to protect the site while further archaeological excavation is carried out.
source: www.huffingtonpost.com; www.straitstimes.com; www.noahsarksearch.net; TIME magazine

Acknowledging Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior

JEREMIAH’S PRAYER
(Jeremiah 10:23-25)
I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own;
       it is not for man to direct his steps.
Correct me, LORD, but only with justice—
       not in your anger,
       lest you reduce me to nothing.
Pour out your wrath on the nations
       that do not acknowledge you,
       on the peoples who do not call on your name.
       For they have devoured Jacob;
       they have devoured him completely
       and destroyed his homeland.

Jeremiah understood and knew God; that He is the Lord who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth (9:23-24). When a man chooses to direct his own steps without God he is walking in darkness perils. However, if the LORD delights in a man's way, he makes his steps firm; though he stumble, he will not fall, for the LORD upholds him with his hand (Psalms 37:23-24).
 Correct me, LORD, but only with justice because the anger of God is a consuming fire destroying everything in its path. As God is a God of justice there is a price to be paid for sin. But God too is a God of mercy, therefore a sincere appeal for His clemency and grace will not go unheeded. Made this in no uncertain way by calling on the name of Jesus Christ – for salvation comes by no other name in heaven (Acts 12:4).   
 
The first half of Jeremiah’s prayer is in the first person but from the context it is clear that he is praying on behalf of his nation, Israel. He who is the Portion of Jacob . . . the Maker of all things, including Israel, the tribe of his inheritance (v16). The prayer concludes with a warning against any nation that poured scorn and death wish on Israel will face the God of Israel who in His justice will bring down judgment against the nations that defy Him and ridiculed His chosen ones.

Over the past year there is a distinctive cold wind that is blowing against Israel from unlikely source. The once staunch allies in the West are now reveiwing their support. Sadly the benediction, I will bless those who bless you (Gen 12:3), coincidentally appears to be fading too from these nations. Where will Isreal's help come from? The Christian Church. Benjamin Netanyahu, the current Prime Minister of Israel, sensing the growing loneliness of his nation, had declared that Israel “has no better friends in the world” than Christians who love and support Israel (Jerusalem Post, April 2008).
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem:
       "May those who love you be secure.
May there be peace within your walls
       and security within your citadels."
Psalms 122:6-7

Timothy Tay

Read also:
Flotillas & Falsehoods, Don't Members of the Press ever Resent being so Used? by NRO's Nora Charen

"We are no longer a Christian nation", President Obama & Islamic Convictiions

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD
A couple with 11 children have been told by the Department for Child Protection that they cannot become foster parents because they sometimes physically discipline their children. John and Pat Wieske say the family see fostering as their Christian duty and a chance to give something back to the community but during interviews with the department they revealed that they occasionally smacked their children and the department consequently deemed them unsuitable to be foster parents. <thewest.com.au March 12, 2010>
The often quoted bible verse in relation to child discipline is found in Proverbs 13:24, "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him." The verse in its context refers to the warning of the damage injustice brings by those ill-disciplined in society (v23) and the blessings for those who stick to the straight and narrow (v25), however, this need to inculcate discipline in the young under our charge often got lost by the debate on the peripherals and the symbolics.

 23 A poor man's field may produce abundant food,
       but injustice sweeps it away.

 24 He who spares the rod hates his son,
       but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.

 25 The righteous eat to their hearts' content,
       but the stomach of the wicked goes hungry.
Proverbs 13:23-25

Editor, ChurchInPerth
Comments Received:

Your interpretation of  Prov 13.23-25 by suggesting the verse on 'sparing the rod' is in some way related to verse v23 re 'societal justice' -to me is stretching the hermeneutical rule of interpreting in context.
J.C.

Ed: There is grounds to link Prov 13:23-25 together taken contextually as well as external evidence. The concern I expressed is our pre-occupation with associating caning with violence in disciplining children that we have avoided disciplining all together.